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Children Of The Magenta Line

Mossie Fly · 176.2K views · 2019-05-27 · 25:33

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A re-upload of American Airlines captain Warren Vanderburgh's 1997 presentation warning that pilots who over-rely on cockpit automation lose manual flying skills and awareness. The uploader adds context from his own flying.

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HN brings it up in any thread about autopilot, Tesla FSD, self-driving cars and crashes as the classic lecture on automation dependency.

Recommended by 11 HN people across 11 months · HN mentions 2021–2026

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fastball · 2024-11 · Strong recommendation

Sounds like Colonel Del Pizzo let himself become a child of the magenta line[1]. (if you haven't seen this amazing talk, you should definitely give it a watch) [1] [VIDEO]

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rsync · 2022-01 · Strong recommendation

"The thing that stands out here the most is the complete lack of control that the crew had over the plane. The crew was managing the computers rather than flying the aircraft ." Perhaps they are "Children of the Magenta": [VIDEO] ... and I cannot recommend this video enough. I am not a pilot and I have no interest in flying nor any particular interest in aviation, generally ... and I find this talk to be fascinating . EDIT: you can jump to 3:35 where he gives a specific example of a situation where pilots need to choose between automation dependency and dropping down a level of automation. He's a really good speaker and you can tell the audience is very engaged.

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scarier · 2021-12 · Strong recommendation

I think this lecture ( [VIDEO] ) should be mandatory for anyone trying to improve flight safety with more automation. I think we're already at diminishing returns, and the only way to eliminate accidents caused by over-reliance on automated systems is to cut the pilot out of the loop entirely. Even in general aviation, the low-hanging fruit is elsewhere. That said, this is still pretty cool, and I could see something like it being one component of a much larger fully automated flight management system. Edit: link should be fixed. If I'm still crushing it, the title of the lecture is "Children of the Magenta Line."

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