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Why It's Rude to Suck at Warcraft

Folding Ideas · 3.9M views · 2022-11-25 · 1:24:15

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Folding Ideas' long essay on why playing poorly in World of Warcraft feels rude. It traces how raiding culture shifted from relaxed fun to optimization, theorycrafting and wikis.

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Recommended as a thoughtful, research-heavy dive into game culture and the social pressure of competitive play.

Recommended by 3 HN people across 3 months · HN mentions 2023–2025

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nozzlegear · 2025-01 · Recommendation

You've had several replies talking about how Molten Core will be cleared easily by modern WoW players, and as someone who plays retail WoW (and has been playing continuously since Burning Crusade) I'll vouch for that take. Molten Core's mechanics are trivially easy compared to the things retail players are up against even in simple dungeons. That said, the type of player who plays WoW now has also changed since the original raiders entered Molten Core so many years ago. People still raid for fun, but like many things in modern society¹, you're also there to raid "efficiently." This documentary that I watched recently called "Why it's rude to suck at World of Warcraft" is worth the watch. It talks about how raiding has changed from a fun thing that people used to do in vanilla WoW, where a guild of 40 people would put up with the weird gnome in the guild who wouldn't wear boots, to a hyper competitive pseudo-esport where players stopped tolerating that gnome player over a decade ago. [VIDEO] ¹ trying not to sound too preachy, I personally love the "get good and keep improving yourself" aspect about WoW, and it's why I push in the game's rated arena brackets each season.

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steveklabnik · 2023-10 · Recommendation

I am unsure why you are curious about documentary recommendations from me, haha, but here's one I enjoyed quite a bit recently: [VIDEO]

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a13o · 2023-09 · Recommendation

You might enjoy this citizen science dive into the relationship between WoW and wikis, titled "Why It's Rude to Suck at Warcraft". One of the premises is that wikis are required reading; because if you aren't min/maxing, you're breaking the social contract with your guildmates. It's a totally emergent and novel way for a game to become 'unplayable'! [VIDEO]

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