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Daniel Henry Holmes Ingalls Jr.: The Live Web. Drag 'n drop in the cloud

JSConf · 8.3K views · 2013-01-20 · 27:21

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Smalltalk pioneer Dan Ingalls presents the Lively Kernel at JSConf US 2012, a live, direct-manipulation programming environment running in the browser. He shows drag-and-drop building of live objects on the web.

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Commenters link it as a demo of what a live, inspectable, Smalltalk-style environment in the browser can be, in threads about Alan Kay, Smalltalk and web limitations.

Recommended by 3 HN people across 3 months · HN mentions 2016–2026

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morphle · 2026-02 · Recommendation

I will not invest any time in improving badly designed software. You can't fix a broken wheel. Your HN newsreader app tries to improve the broken wheel. The least you could have done is make the comment edit field WYSIWYG, make it modeless, see what the text will look like while you type, not after you click update or when you click edit in the tread reader. Your code is just a very limited webbrowser. The webbrowsers, html are a very broken wheel. Alan Kay, the designer of personal computing, explains why [LINK] This lecture Alan aimed at this audience, the computer science (programming) students at University of Illinois, where they programmed this broken wheel 20 years after Alan had showed them how do do it better. Paul Graham should not have based HN (Hacker News) on the web and html but on WYSIWYG, then you would not have had to fix it with your app. The Lively Kernel would be another way to fix html but retain the web. Two demos says it all: [LINK] [VIDEO] Dan Ingalls implemented most of Alan Kay's invention of the personal computer, in these demo's he shows how to fix the webbrowsers broken wheel a bit. Their Squeak, Etoys and Croquet fixed it completely.

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morphle · 2026-02 · Recommendation

You can't fix a broken wheel. This web link post, the original NEXT webbrowser, tries to celebrate and revive the reinvention of the broken wheel. The World Wide Web, browser and html standards are a very broken wheel. Alan Kay, the inventor of personal computing, explains why: [LINK] Some of the comments of youtube are fun too. This lecture Alan aimed at this particular audience, the computer science (programming) students at University of Illinois, where they programmed the second browser, the second broken wheel 20 years after Alan and Dan had showed them how do do it better. Dan Ingalls implemented most of Alan Kay's invention of the personal computer, in the following demo's he shows how to fix the webbrowser's broken wheel a bit. The Lively Kernel would be another way to fix html but retain the web. Two demos says it all: [LINK] [VIDEO] Their Squeak, Etoys and Croquet fixed it completely: Early Croquet demo: [LINK] Croquet in webbrowser: [LINK] Demo of webbrowser replacement: [LINK] Squeak and all its predecessors: [LINK] Etoys: [LINK]

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apaprocki · 2019-09 · Recommendation

Dan Ingalls himself presenting his continued work in the browser at JSConf US 2012 (whole conf was packed in, standing-room only): [VIDEO] Surprised that video has so few views!

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