CppCon 2015: Kate Gregory “Stop Teaching C"

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tialaramex · 2022-04 · Strong recommendation

If what you need is C++ (which IMNSHO it is not) then starting with C is a bad idea. Here's Kate Gregory's talk, you should definitely listen to her even if you think I'm an idiot because she actually teaches people C++ and I (thankfully) do not. [VIDEO] Now here's my rant, which is unrelated to Kate's very smart talk: C has an excuse, because it was written in the 1970s for the PDP-11. In the 1970s struct qualifies as a fancy new feature. In the 1970s a wide pointer is very expensive. In the 1970s a linked list is often a good choice of data structure. C++ comes along quite a lot later. These things are already untrue or fast becoming untrue, but rather than risk being unpopular Bjarne's language just cargo cults C. It is almost all of C, plus more... stuff. C++ does not fix any of the worst problems with C, because doing so would risk losing compatibility and hurt Bjarne's adoption story. As a result, with only a handful of exceptions all of that broken garbage is still there . C++ still has the almost useless built-in array type from C, it keeps weird syntax from C that was too hard to ban in the 1970s compiler but you should never use, its built-in types have the same stupid, confusing names like "long" and "double", it has this awful "macro pre-processor" which makes even trivial tooling problems very difficult and set back software quality by at least a decade. Kate's approach avoids teaching beginners about most of this. It's still there, which is bad, but at least you

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e12e · 2016-05 · Strong recommendation

I've been spending a few days going through talks from last years cppcon[1]. They're all good, but they've all left me with a strong desire for a strongly opinionated, there-is-no-past-only-the-future introduction to C++14 (and incidentally, C11). I've added a few of those talks I've watched and liked to a small playlist (with a couple of other talks on programming, unrelated - the relevant talks are prefixed with "cppcon 2015"): [LINK] The full cppcon playlist is here: [LINK] Of special relevance is the rather excellent talk by Kate Gregory on "Stop Teaching C" (when you're supposed to do an intro course to C++): "CppCon 2015: Kate Gregory “Stop Teaching C"": [VIDEO] (But again, I want an open wiki/live tutorial, along the lines of "How I start", but longer, which goes through all this stuff. We really should make one, both for C++14 and for C11). CppCon 2015: Herb Sutter "Writing Good C++14... By Default": [LINK] Is also rather uplifting, and: CppCon 2015: Sean Parent "Better Code: Data Structures": [LINK] makes a pretty good case for simple, modern C++ being clear, easy and efficient. Finally, CppCon 2015: Phil Nash “Test Driven C++ with Catch”: [LINK] apart for being a pretty straight forward intro to a simple testing framework, appears to reveal some secrets combining template magic and still get sane compile times (hint: don't recompile more (template) code on every iteration than you need to). There's a couple of good ones that touch on meta-programming too (Look for t

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autoreleasepool · 2016-01 · Strong recommendation

> It's as if you had to be there from the start to have a full image of how the language grew and truly understand the interplay between all the "features", otherwise it's too late to become an expert, and in some cases even too late to become comfortable writing good maintainable code in C++. This is funny to me (not in a condescending way) because I had the exact opposite thought today. I actually came back to C++ on my own fairly recently after learning about the modern version of the language. I was lamenting about how lucky I was to have started learning with C++14 because I didn't have to go through the horrible C++98 and C++03 eras. In fact I could simply ignore most of it. It's all about diving straight into the modern stuff. The biggest problem with learning C++ is that most textbooks, classes, university courses don't actually teach you the real C++ parts until the last 4 weeks of the courses. Instead they teach you "C with classes.. and std::cout". This has been acknowledged as an problem by some of the more prominent members of the committee. I urge you to watch Kate Gregory's talk from cppcon 2015 "Stop Teaching C". [VIDEO] Not only is she a great presenter, but she makes amazing points about what is fundamentally wrong with how C++ is taught in classrooms around the globe. I really hope her talk makes some impact. I know I used to hate the language. That was when I was writing it for my university that for some reason didn't want to upgrade their 2007 gcc compil

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