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mikeyouse · 2022-06 · Reference

Yes, the WIV does indeed study the bats that we're questioning. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make? The claim you're questioning is "There are horseshoe bats near Wuhan". Do you think they just invented the bats? I mean... they're on video... [VIDEO]

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voldacar · 2022-04 · Reference

I had a longer response but my browser crashed so I'll just try to summarize my thoughts. Our disagreement basically comes down to how we assign priors. I'm not really sure how productive a debate on priors can be because it's not like there are a bunch of previous similar scenarios that we can study in detail. On P(WIV leak): Wikipedia[0] lists 50 lab leaks (or more precisely, failure of lab biosecurity measures) in the past century. The actual number is probably much higher because people and institutions like to hide their mistakes. So the base probability of a lab leak happening from a lab that studies pathogens is only moderately low to begin with. But P(WIV leak) is probably significantly higher than average here, because WIV had worse than average safety procedure. - According to leaked cables from 2018, american officials & scientists were already concerned about unsafe practices & lack of properly trained personnel at WIV[1] - WIV researchers collected unknown viruses from bat caves with only hazmat suits + surgical mask as PPE, and handled vials of viral vector specimens without even masks[2]. If they demonstrated poor attention to safety outside the lab, it is likely that they disregarded it within the lab as well - I recall reading something similar involving Shi Zhengli but I can't find the link now - Shi Zhengli admitted (!) that bat coronavirus research was performed under BSL-2 and BSL-3 conditions, both of which are significantly more lax than BSL-4[3] On P(l

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gridlockd · 2020-05 · Reference

> I'm not sure who you're quoting, but it's not me. Indeed, I oversaw that it was "yorwba" who put that comment into "our" thread, not you. My apologies. > As for the claim that the Wuhan cdc is tight next to the seafood market, I direct you to this comment: [LINK] which thoroughly and completely debunks those claims. That's not a "thorough and complete" debunking, that's an erroneous assessment regarding the functions and location(s) of the Wuhan CDC, based on a cursory glance at websites. A little bit more research would've revealed that the Wuhan CDC indeed was performing experiments on bats and that it has several facilities (including one near the seafood market). [VIDEO] [LINK]

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